World Watch OnLine: The Unofficial Buckaroo Banzai Mailing List
#  77 (21 March 1999)
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Greetings
Re: World Watch OnLine 76 - 14 March 1999
Re: World Watch Online 76, Where are 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th dimension?
CHAT
buckaroo soundtrack- one better
8 dimensions
Re: Eighth Dimension-My Interpretation
Pecos
Re: World Watch OnLine 76 - 14 March 1999
The Buckaroo Banzai/Mel Gibson Conspiracy
Lithgow CD

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Greetings,

Well, this should be subtitled The Eighth Dimension Issue methinks.
This is cool, and very revealing. Read the different theories and contribute
your own. Or as the dearly departed Penny Priddy once opined on the
subject of the 5-7th dimensions, I guess they dont matter. Its like 
cheesecloth, I think. Minkowski space. Food for thought.

Made some small tweaks to the page. Mainly, added links to pages for
Peter Weller, Ellen Barkin and Clancy Brown to the cast page. If you know
of any pages devoted to any of the others, please let me know.

Due to the length of this edition, Lock and Key is being pre-empted this week.
Barring another incident of such verbosity, it should return next issue, same
BB time, same BB channel.

And I say welcome to the show
ArcLight

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Subj:	Re: World Watch OnLine 76 - 14 March 1999
Date:	3/14/99 5:45:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	Rass123

First of all, sorry about thge long space between my last installment of
Return of the Demone (anyone still remember it?)  System's been down and we
had ot rebuild major parts of it over the last few months. I promise a new
part will show up soon.  Second, about he question on the dimensions btw. 3
and 8.  The fourth dimension is time I believe. Try researching some of
einstein's work with the speed of light for some interesting information on
that.  Hawkings might be a good source too.  The fifth dimension is space,
though I might have these two reversed, I can never remember.  Again, Stephen
Hawkings may be a good source of information on this one. 

**** Yes, I remember the story and await the continuation. For those that
missed it or need refreshing, check out past issues or Strike Team Renegades
site. Pretty sure they have it archived. - ArcLight ****

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Subj:	 Re: World Watch Online 76, Where are 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th dimension?
Date:	3/14/99 10:59:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	rmartin@cps.cmich.edu (Ron Martin)

Hello!

Well, someone asked about the dimensions before the eighth.  There is a
geometric point of view to all of this.  Suppose you have a point.  A
point is infinitely small, having no length, width, or depth.  Is is a
non-dimensional unit.  If you took that point and stretched it along a
line, you would have length, thus one dimension.  If you stretch that
plane, you would have width, giving two dimensions.  Notice that these
dimensions are perpendicular to each other.  Now stretch that plane, and
you have depth, again another dimension perpendicular to the other two. 
If you have ever seen a 3D origin grid, like 3D graph paper or
something, you would notice that all the axis are perpendicular to one
another.  Now imagine if it were possible to take the 3D cube and
stretch it in a direction perpendicular to all three of those axes.  To
us it is impossible, for we cannot comprehend anything beyond the third
dimension.  If we were two dimensional, it owul be impossible for us to
understand depth, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Anyway, the
more you stretch these objects in directions perpendicular to the
previous set of axes, to more complex you get.  We can never truly see
anything beyond three dimensions, and our brains are not trained to
understand it, but I'm sure any trip through the 8th dimension would be
as bizarre as the one depicted in the movie.

My $0.02

Ron

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Subj:	 CHAT
Date:	3/14/99 6:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	buiep@idworld.net ( Phyllis Buie)

I'd like to get in the chat and ask if anyone has a copy of the Buckaroo
Banzai video they want to sell or if someone would be kind enough to make me
a copy for a small charge.  I have checked all the stores and it is out of
production - can't even rent it.  Thanks.

Phyllis Buie
Fair Oaks Ranch, TX

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Subj:	buckaroo soundtrack- one better
Date:	3/15/99 10:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	JudgeRaye
To:	post@nelvana.com, WWatchOne

hello irregulars, a new member mentioned something about the unreleased
soundtrack, so i sent them this:
 Hi. I don't know how many responses you received to your request for a
soundtrack to this movie, but i have something you might like. I live in L.A
and a year ago i read someone had a bootleg of the soundtrack on CD. I mailed
the person immediately and asked her for a copy, not expecting much. She sent
back that, if i got a blank copy of the tape to her, with a self-addressed
stamped envelope,she would make  a copy and send it to me. Well she did, and
i couldn't stop playing the tape for weeks. I  got an idea after that. The
soundtrack had sound bytes from the movie, something that excited me almost
to high-fiving strangers i met on the street. ( i stopped short of this,
however ) I thought the sound bits from the movie were good, but i knew i
could make them better-and i did. I rerecorded the music and inserted
dialogue from the movie where appropriate ( i thought ) and couldn't have
been happier with the results.
Man i patted myself on the back for maybe two months, until my car stereo was
ripped off and i stopped listening to tapes in my car altogether. If you
want, mail me and I'll tell you where to send me a blank tape. I'll rattle
off a copy and send it to the neutral address of your choice. For free, as i
don't want any trouble with the feds. (copyright infringement anyone? i
didn't think so.)

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Subj:	8 dimensions
Date:	3/15/99 10:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	Robot10

Hi all! Just de-lurking to (possibly?) clear up a question. I'm sure loads of
folks will jump in to correct  me if I'm in error, but here goes:As I've been
given to understand it, (and as it's actually used in robotics, my chosen
field of expertise) the first three dimensions are x, y, and z,
corresponding, of course, to length, width, and height. The fourth dimension
of course is understood as time, and by conventional definition, it exists in
right angles to the first three, I.E., as X is perpendicular to Y and Z,  Y
is perpendicular to Z and X, and Z is perpendicular to X and Y. So "time" or
T is perpendicular to X, Y, and Z. 

Moving on, the fifth dimension or "a" is perpendicular to Y and Z but rotates
about X.
The sixth, "b", rotates about Y, and the seventh, "c", rotates about Z.
Pilots understand these motions as "roll", "pitch", and "yaw".  So by
definition, the eigth dimension "T prime" would logically be perpendicular to
"a", "b", and "c", and rotate about the fourth dimension, "time". This has
been touched upon but not described very accurately in the book "number of
the beast" by heinlein. 

Mark Hardig-BlueBlazer Irregular wannabe
Robot10@aol.com

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Subj:	Re: Eighth Dimension-My Interpretation
Date:	3/15/99 7:14:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:	BanzaiSGI

The Eighth Dimension I will explain in a moment.
To me, at this moment, the first Three Dimensions belong to the human race
concept of time, space, existence. 
The Fourth Dimension, is the Twilight Zone, attributed to Rod Serling, who as
far as I know, is/was an alien like Albert Einstein (remember, I am being
literal and in the moment guys...). 
The Fifth Dimension was the fine singing group of the 60s/70s (and
responsible for some of the HKC music basics).
The Sixth Dimension is where the socks go from the washing machine.
The Seventh Dimension is the holding pen for the Hell Universe overflow
traffic.
The Eighth Dimension is not a true dimension, but a plane of congruence, the
place where Zen masters say nothing exists but everything is. 
Next?

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Subj:	 Pecos
Date:	3/15/99 10:06:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	syntheticangel@juno.com (Adam J Barnett)

Lord TZer,

Thanks for your input, really, but I was looking more for "facts."  Yeah,
in the movie, Pecos is said to be in Tibet, and we can assume that Pecos
is a hard rocking scientist since he/she is a Hong Kong Cavalier.  Okay,
fine.  However, in the movie, New Jersey mistakes both Perfect Tommy and
Reno Nevada for Pecos.  Now, neither Perfect Tommy nor Reno are very
female or very Asian (not even Korean).  Please, someone!  Evidence!  I'm
beginning to lean more towards the holy hermaphrodite way of thinking. 
Thanks again fellow BBI's.


Sincerely,
The Synthetic Angel,
Formerly known as The Singularity

**** Well, New Jerseys mistake is a joke at the poor fellows expense. Such
a fan but cant tell them apart. Its a joke on an added level for those that have
read the novel, where Pecos is quite clearly a she. When Reno first meets B.Banzai
in person, hes accompanied by two women and a young man. The man is Rawhide.
One of the women is Peggy. The other is Pecos. Of course, the hermaphrodite thing
could explain why the proposed nuptials between Reno and Pecos never went 
through. - ArcLight ****

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Subj:	 Re: World Watch OnLine 76 - 14 March 1999
Date:	3/17/99 2:20:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:	duir@earthlink.net

>From:	JimUSA

>depth, but I would like to know about dimensions 4, 5, 6, and 7. Can
anyone
>help me out here? Has the 8th dimension been referenced elsewhere in


Dear DI,

   As to dimensions, well... get on your thinking cap, sharpen your #2
pencil, and attend:

   Let us recap by noting the following:

Dimension 1  - a point

Dimension 2  - length

Dimension 3  - volume


   These are the three spacial dimensions. Isn't time the 4th 
Dimension?

The answer is no. Time is not a spacial dimension, it is more like a 
direction. We can follow it one way and never turn back. When
mathematicians speak of 4-Dimensional Geometry, they mean 4 spacial 
dimensions. In fact, 4-Dimensional beings might think time is the 5th Dimension, 
while 2-Dimensional beings would think time is the 3rd Dimension 
(something we know is not true). 

   In the past century, it has been proposed that perhaps there are more
dimensions to space than we assume at first glance. Einstein thought of
gravity as the curviture of space. This is really just  another way of
saying, traditional space with another dimension.

   Superstring Theory predicts that our universe originally began as a 10 
dimensional one, then, due to instability, 6 of the dimensions shrunk
down to the Planck length, while the other 4 expanded (our universe). What 
this really means is that although the large 4 dimensions are the most 
obvious, the smaller 6 dimensions still are important to the physical
laws of the universe. While this is different than more traditional Big Bang 
Cosmology, it may provide a compatible explanation.

   Superstring Theory says that everything is made up of extremely small 
strings. It uses these extra dimensions to describe not only where a 
particle is, but what type of particle it is. All of the fundamental
forces, are also included in this 10 dimensional description. There are many 
different variants of this (ex. Some strings are loops or knots while
others are not.) These strings exhibit themselves differently depending on how 
they vibrate. At low energies, strings will appear to be matter. Only at 
extremely high energies will the string's native geometry be evident. 

   Surprisingly, classical string theory dynamics is described by a 
conformally invariant 2D quantum field theory. (Roughly, conformal 
invariance is symmetry under a change of length scale.) What
distinguishes one-dimensional strings from higher dimensional analogs is the fact that 
this 2D theory is renormalizable (no bad short-distance infinities). 

  By contrast, objects with p dimensions, called "p-branes," have a 
(p+1)-dimensional world volume theory. For p > 1, those theories are 
non-renormalizable. This is the feature that gives strings a special
status, even though, as we will discuss later, higher-dimensional p-branes do
occur in superstring theory. 

   As has already been mentioned, to have a chance of being realistic,
the six extra space dimensions must curl up into a tiny geometrical space, 
whose size should be comparable to the string length . Since space-time 
geometry is determined dynamically (as in general relativity), only
geometries that satisfy the dynamical equations are allowed.

  The HE string theory, compactified on a particular kind of
six-dimensional space, called a Calabi--Yau manifold, has many qualitative features at
low energies that resemble the standard model. In particular, the low mass 
fermions (identified as quarks and leptons) occur in families, whose
number is controlled by the topology of the CY manifold. These successes have
been achieved in a perturbative framework, and are necessarily qualitative at 
best, since non-perturbative phenomena are essential to an understanding
of supersymmetry breaking and other important matters of detail. 

   The superstring theory can describe the four forces 
(electroweak, strong nuclear, and gravitational) if the tension in the 
string is 1039 tons.  The predictions of this theory are identical to 
general relativity in most cases.  However, at a distance of 10-33cm, 
the two theories differ. 

   One problem with string theory is that it only works in ten or
twenty-six dimensions.  This is because if there are any other number of dimensions, 
mathematical anomalies appear.  The question then has to be asked, where
are the other six dimensions?  In normal life there are only four.  However,
it is possible that the six dimensions that we cannot see curled up into
tiny balls just 10-30 inches long. It is theorised that they curled up just
after the Big Bang. It is possible that if some variables in the Big Bang were 
different to what they turned out to be, some or all of these extra 
dimensions would have expanded. What would such a universe look like? 
Obviously, our 4-dimensional perceptions cannot imagine what it would 
be like, but the possibility of it happening remains. As such distances are 
too small for us to see, they could go unnoticed but still be there. 

   String theory states that the electroweak and strong forces have the
same strength at an energy of 1016GeV, and that gravity as well will have the 
same strength at 1019GeV.  If all the forces have the same strength, an 
equation can be written to describe them. (At least, that's the theory) 

   Originally there were five separate string theories, each one of them 
working in different situations. These, in 1994, were unified into a 
single "M-theory". M-theory may only holds true in eleven dimensions, 
which is different from the original ten. 

   The theory has not been fully fleshed out. There are many advancements 
still to make. It may be that and "F-Theory" (F for father) will emerge,
a string theory that involves strings being present in either ten, eleven
or twelve dimensions. We are still far from the utimate Theory of
Everything. 

   -from the notes of Professor Hikita's lecture, 

"String 'Em Up! - Superstring Theory and Relative Dimensions"

Spring Quarter, BIFBEASI

   As noted by Drs. Banzai and Hikita, the Oscillation Overthruster is a
small colliding particle beam accelerator operating on the indeterminacy
of intermediate vector bosons. The "Oscillation" part is an operative
description of the process of encouraging a shockwave of broken string
symmetry to surge outward, creating a following wave where matter
interacts weakly, thus allowing the spontaneous expression of the higher
dimensions to interpenetrate the grosser dimensions of our plane. Time
becomes meaningless as duration expands to include the universe, as noted
by PJ Farmer in "Down In The Black Gang." 

The higher dimensions come into play in the description of the
interaction between particle states.

   This gives the following rough table:

D1 - point

D2 - length

D3 - breadth

D4 - duration

D5 - gravity

D6 - nuclear 

D7 - electromagnetic (strong)

D8 - electromagnetic (weak)

   Of course, we are speaking of mathematics here, so attempting to fix a
description or label to such a state, or attempting to harness that
state, is a task best left to qualified personnel.

     hope that helps clear things up a bit.

   you might also find valuable "Moving Through Matter with B Banzai," 
another Hikita lecture, at:

http://members.xoom.com/datamouse/lscience.htm

regards,

relayer

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Subj:	 The Buckaroo Banzai/Mel Gibson Conspiracy
Date:	3/20/99 12:19:49 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:	camelot@amigo.net (Scott Tate)

This is a weird one, even by my standards...  This may sound crazy, but
I've stumbled across what is either a curious coincidence or an
extensive and long-standing conspiracy of sorts: Apparently actor Mel
Gibson, for reasons unknown, frequently collaborates with people who
previously served in the cast and crew of The Adventures of Buckaroo
Banzai.

As early as 1984 -- the very year of TABB's release -- Gibson's films
included work by such people.  On the set of The River were stuntman
Mike Deluna, production illustrator Sherman Labby, and foley artists
John Roesch and Joan Rowe, who all served in similar capacities in
TABB.  Another film, the dramatic Mrs. Soffel, included production
manager Dennis Jones.

In 1987, as Gibson began to cement his growing status with the start of
the Lethal Weapon franchise, so to did he begin to work more extensively
with Banzai alumni.  The first LW movie included actor Damon Hines
(Scooter Lindley in TABB, Nick Murtaugh in the LW series), propmaster
Erik Nelson, Virginia Randolph (set designer on TABB, assistant art
director for LW), production designer Michael J. Riva, and stuntman Mic
Rodgers.  All of these people returned for LW II (1989), which also
added former Banzai stuntman Tommy Huff to the crew.  The third
installment (1992) pared down the reunions, bringing back only Hines and
Rodgers, but more familiar faces returned in 1998 for Lethal Weapon IV,
with Hines, Nelson, Riva, and Rodgers now joined by actor Bill Henderson
and special effects foreman Bill Cobb (who made an uncredited
contribution to TABB's special electronic effects).

The crew of 1992's Forever Young included stuntman Mic Rodgers again,
costume designer Aggie Guerard Rodgers, and special effects company
Visual Concept Engineering (VCE).  Sharing the camera with Mel is Jamie
Lee Curtis, whose cutting room cameo as Buckaroo's mother earns her the
status of a Banzai alumna honorable mention.  It's interesting to note
that Forever Young was released the same year as Lethal Weapon II; since
Banzai staffers were spread between the two movies, that may account for
LW II's uncharacteristically low turnout in this regard.

Mel worked heavily with TABB personnel in Maverick (1994), the
big-screen adaptation of the classic Western TV series.  Present were
actors Dan Hedaya, Reed Morgan, and Bill Henderson, along with costumer
turned costume supervisor Linda Henrikson, returning propmaster Nelson
and prop assistant David Newell, and the ubiquitous Mic Rodgers again
doing stunts.  In a striking coincidence, country singer Clint Black,
who had a cameo in Maverick and contributed to the soundtrack, also had
an unrelated hit that year entitled "Wherever You Go, There You Are."

Gibson next directed, produced, and starred in one of his most ambitious
projects, Braveheart (1995).  Once again he worked with foley artist
John Roesch and stuntman Mic Rodgers, in addition to visual effects
supervisor Michael Fink.  That same year Gibson had a minor role in
Casper, whose stunt coordinator, Gary Hymes, had previously contributed
to TABB.

Another mother lode of Banzai graduates is found in the roster of 1997's
Conspiracy Theory:  actor Bill Henderson, stuntman Mic Rodgers (yet
again), familiar propmaster Erik Nelson, hair stylist Stephen Robinette,
and re-recording mixers David Campbell, John Reitz, and Gregg Rudloff.

Of course, not all Gibson films feature a high concentration of Banzai
associates, but they often include at least one or two such
individuals.  Such is the case in Bird on a Wire (1990), The Man Without
A Face (1993), Ransom (1996), and Payback (1999).

As of this writing, almost half of Mel Gibson's filmography includes
members of the TABB cast and crew.  It's interesting to further note
that, in many cases, the more creative control Gibson personally
exercises over a project, the more former Banzai people are likely to be
involved.  It may be be relevant that many of Gibson's Banzai-heavy
films are also the work of Gibson's frequent collaborator,
director/producer Richard Donner.  Donner's projects also often employ
Banzai personnel, with or without Gibson's presence.  (Indeed, Donner
may be the real connection here, or perhaps a separate but parallel
phenomenon.)

What significance, if any, might this hold?  It's entirely possible that
this is simply an odd and trivial coincidence.  After all, the film
industry can be fairly characterized to a certain degree as one big
family, with only so many actors and crew to go around.  On the other
hand, it's also possible that Gibson (and/or Donner) just might be a
Banzai fan, or at least hold TABB's quality in high enough esteem that
he seeks out those involved in its production values.  If so, it's
reassuring to know that Buckaroo Banzai continues to have influential
friends in Hollywood.

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Subj:	 Lithgow CD
Date:	3/20/99 4:53:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:	riptide@utinet.net (David)

Hello all,

A bit of odd news here.  Just found out that John Lithgow has a cd
coming out.  It's a children's
album called "Singin' in the Bathtub."  No word on whether Dr. Lizardo
makes a guest appearance.

Riptide

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